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	<description>A blog about starting and building a family winery in the Russian River Valley.</description>
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		<title>By: anascinciftip</title>
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		<dc:creator>anascinciftip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>The symptoms of swine flu in people are similar to the symptoms of a regular human seasonal influenza infection<br />
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		<title>By: MichaelKingstins</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelKingstins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to say that I love your website.  Mine is at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.destinchef.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;destin chef&lt;/a&gt;  It is still a work in progress, but please let me know what you think</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to say that I love your website.  Mine is at <a href="http://www.destinchef.com" rel="nofollow">destin chef</a>  It is still a work in progress, but please let me know what you think</p>
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		<title>By: CaseyFronczek</title>
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		<dc:creator>CaseyFronczek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw that Casey Fronczek is offering fishing trips now down in south Florida.  Does anybody have any input on these trips or has anyone been on one of these trips before?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw that Casey Fronczek is offering fishing trips now down in south Florida.  Does anybody have any input on these trips or has anyone been on one of these trips before?</p>
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		<title>By: topyphora</title>
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		<dc:creator>topyphora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello!
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for me atm. If you know where I can find it cheaper plz let me know. I need this badly....
Sorry if posting in wrong section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello!<br />
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for me atm. If you know where I can find it cheaper plz let me know. I need this badly&#8230;.<br />
Sorry if posting in wrong section.</p>
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		<title>By: Beertgort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beertgort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 05:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: waipsyclali</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 03:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: miseeleamSnex</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello.<br />
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		<title>By: jobbercypr</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, it&#039;s a job offer. (Sorry if I post it in wrong place)

Cyprus company is seeking a Campaign Executive to assist with fundraising, presentations, various administrative and sales management duties. If you have fundraising and sales experience, plus intermediate computer knowledge, this job is for you! Apply with us today! 

All applicants applying for U.S. job openings must be authorized to work in the United States. All applicants applying for European job openings must be authorized to work in European Union.

We are growing advertising and consulting company offering job opportunities ranging from executive and administrative assistants to customer service representatives, receptionists and general support.

NOTICE: we do not provide relocation, this position is online based, we are using progressive online administrative system. You will have to use a special online training program for free.

Requirements and skills:
1.       Higher Education/College 
2.       1 + Sales/Management (desired but optional) 
3.       Strong communicative skills 
4.       Must have MS Office installed (MS Word) 
5.       Must have citizenship or Work Permit 
6.       Adult age

Education and Experience:
1.       Internet/MS Office/Outlook
2.       Sales/Management/Marketing courses (desired)  

Hours:
Mon-Fri; 9:30am - 12:30pm

Apply for this job now or contact our online branch support for additional information: 

CV to e-mail manager@mygogreens.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, it&#8217;s a job offer. (Sorry if I post it in wrong place)</p>
<p>Cyprus company is seeking a Campaign Executive to assist with fundraising, presentations, various administrative and sales management duties. If you have fundraising and sales experience, plus intermediate computer knowledge, this job is for you! Apply with us today! </p>
<p>All applicants applying for U.S. job openings must be authorized to work in the United States. All applicants applying for European job openings must be authorized to work in European Union.</p>
<p>We are growing advertising and consulting company offering job opportunities ranging from executive and administrative assistants to customer service representatives, receptionists and general support.</p>
<p>NOTICE: we do not provide relocation, this position is online based, we are using progressive online administrative system. You will have to use a special online training program for free.</p>
<p>Requirements and skills:<br />
1.       Higher Education/College<br />
2.       1 + Sales/Management (desired but optional)<br />
3.       Strong communicative skills<br />
4.       Must have MS Office installed (MS Word)<br />
5.       Must have citizenship or Work Permit<br />
6.       Adult age</p>
<p>Education and Experience:<br />
1.       Internet/MS Office/Outlook<br />
2.       Sales/Management/Marketing courses (desired)  </p>
<p>Hours:<br />
Mon-Fri; 9:30am &#8211; 12:30pm</p>
<p>Apply for this job now or contact our online branch support for additional information: </p>
<p>CV to e-mail <a href="mailto:manager@mygogreens.com">manager@mygogreens.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cambridge Cluster &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blogging does not save Stormhoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cambridge Cluster &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blogging does not save Stormhoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pinotblogger takes a long hard look at the collapse of Stormhoek which grew fast with pioneering promotion by sketching blogger Hugh Mcleod. Pinotblogger says that one of the biggest problems was that Stormhoek did not come from a cluster or, as they say in the wine trade, a Terroir. You have got to make sure that you are on the right slopes facing the right way or it is an up hill battle to start up. Get in the right cluster and you will soon be producing a business of the best vintage! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Pinotblogger takes a long hard look at the collapse of Stormhoek which grew fast with pioneering promotion by sketching blogger Hugh Mcleod. Pinotblogger says that one of the biggest problems was that Stormhoek did not come from a cluster or, as they say in the wine trade, a Terroir. You have got to make sure that you are on the right slopes facing the right way or it is an up hill battle to start up. Get in the right cluster and you will soon be producing a business of the best vintage! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shane,

Thanks for the comments and for clarifying some important things about your situation. What&#039;s confusing to me from the outside is that Orbital&#039;s ownership and Stormhoek&#039;s seem to overlap to a large degree (or I may just be confused in general), and the brand ownership issues don&#039;t help either, as you pointed out.

As to your point comparing wine to dog food - I totally agree that shipping wine all the way from South Africa would be silly, especially at your price point. There are fulfillment houses in the US that pick, pack and ship though, so it isn&#039;t impossible. Also when I talk about direct, I&#039;m also talking about tasting room sales, wine club sales, email blasts and every other transaction that takes place at high margins without having to go through a wholesaler (who are evil).

1. I can empathize. Honestly, I have no advice to offer on selling 200K cases because I feel it&#039;s almost a non-viable business model for most wine producers at this point. You need to be either really, really big, or really small. How do you get to be really really big? Lots and lots of money. Which most of us don&#039;t have.

But I think there are ways to work in at least some direct sales without alienating your retail customers. 10% might be a realistic goal, especially if those sales are occurring in the US when your major retail clients are in the UK.

2. Good points, and well taken. My comments on price point weren&#039;t specifically aimed at Stormhoek though. It&#039;s the whole range of wines in that category I feel may not be best suited to social media marketing.

3. Terroir is more than pretty hills, but I agree that it is an invention in some respects. Still, that doesn&#039;t make it any less powerful as a marketing tool. Many consumers believe in terroir, even if it&#039;s defined simply as &quot;this guy is located near this other guy who makes wines that get high scores, so it might be good.&quot; And in the end it&#039;s the perception, not the reality that matters because re-educating consumers is costly.

It may not be fair, but Stormhoek is the poster child for web 2.0 marketing. It&#039;s what allowed you to rise above the din and get noticed. The end of Orbital is notable because it calls into question the efficacy of just such a marketing strategy. It&#039;s about Stormhoek, and its about something bigger than Stormhoek. It about the future of wine marketing.

Thanks again Shane, and all my best to you and everyone at Stormhoek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shane,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments and for clarifying some important things about your situation. What&#8217;s confusing to me from the outside is that Orbital&#8217;s ownership and Stormhoek&#8217;s seem to overlap to a large degree (or I may just be confused in general), and the brand ownership issues don&#8217;t help either, as you pointed out.</p>
<p>As to your point comparing wine to dog food &#8211; I totally agree that shipping wine all the way from South Africa would be silly, especially at your price point. There are fulfillment houses in the US that pick, pack and ship though, so it isn&#8217;t impossible. Also when I talk about direct, I&#8217;m also talking about tasting room sales, wine club sales, email blasts and every other transaction that takes place at high margins without having to go through a wholesaler (who are evil).</p>
<p>1. I can empathize. Honestly, I have no advice to offer on selling 200K cases because I feel it&#8217;s almost a non-viable business model for most wine producers at this point. You need to be either really, really big, or really small. How do you get to be really really big? Lots and lots of money. Which most of us don&#8217;t have.</p>
<p>But I think there are ways to work in at least some direct sales without alienating your retail customers. 10% might be a realistic goal, especially if those sales are occurring in the US when your major retail clients are in the UK.</p>
<p>2. Good points, and well taken. My comments on price point weren&#8217;t specifically aimed at Stormhoek though. It&#8217;s the whole range of wines in that category I feel may not be best suited to social media marketing.</p>
<p>3. Terroir is more than pretty hills, but I agree that it is an invention in some respects. Still, that doesn&#8217;t make it any less powerful as a marketing tool. Many consumers believe in terroir, even if it&#8217;s defined simply as &#8220;this guy is located near this other guy who makes wines that get high scores, so it might be good.&#8221; And in the end it&#8217;s the perception, not the reality that matters because re-educating consumers is costly.</p>
<p>It may not be fair, but Stormhoek is the poster child for web 2.0 marketing. It&#8217;s what allowed you to rise above the din and get noticed. The end of Orbital is notable because it calls into question the efficacy of just such a marketing strategy. It&#8217;s about Stormhoek, and its about something bigger than Stormhoek. It about the future of wine marketing.</p>
<p>Thanks again Shane, and all my best to you and everyone at Stormhoek.</p>
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